Earnings Transcript for INFA - Q1 Fiscal Year 2023

Operator: Good afternoon. Thank you for attending the Informatica Corporation Fiscal Q1 2023 Conference Call. My name is Elisa, and I will be your moderator for today's call. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call, with an opportunity for question-and-answer at the end. [Operator Instructions]. It is now my pleasure to pass the conference over to our host, Victoria Hyde-Dunn, Vice President of Investor Relations. You may now proceed, Victoria.

Victoria Hyde-Dunn: Thank you. Good afternoon and thank you for joining us to review Informatica's First Quarter 2023 Earnings Results. Joining me on today's call are Amit Walia, Chief Executive Officer; and Mike McLaughlin, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, we have a couple of reminders. Our earnings press release and slide presentation are available on our Investor Relations website at investors.informatica.com. Our prepared remarks will be posted on the IR website after the conference call concludes. During the call, we will be making comments of the forward-looking nature. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied as a result of various risks and uncertainties. For more information about some of these risks, please review the company's SEC filings, including the section titled Risk Factors included in our most recent 10-Q and 10-K filings for the full year 2022. These forward-looking statements are based on information as of today, and we assume no obligation to publicly update or revise our forward-looking statements, except as required by law. Additionally, we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP financial measures are in addition to and not a substitute for measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with GAAP. A reconciliation of these items to the nearest U.S. GAAP measure can be found in this afternoon's press release and our slide presentation available on Informatica's Investor Relations website. With that, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Amit.

Amit Walia: Thank you, Victoria. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us for the call today. Q1 results were strong, and we're off to a great start to the year. Key financial metrics exceeded the high end of our guidance range driven by traction from enterprise customers purchasing new cloud workloads. Subscription ARR grew 20% year-over-year, and cloud subscription ARR grew 41% year-over-year. Importantly, approximately 90% of cloud new bookings came from new workloads, with the remaining coming from migrations of on-prem maintenance customers. Total revenues increased 1% year-over-year due to slower-than-expected decline in maintenance revenue and strong renewal rates. Non-GAAP operating income was $85 million. We continue to execute across all of our strategic initiatives. The resilience and durability of our business are demonstrated by consistent 93% plus renewal rates, strong net retention rate and 80% plus gross margins. We continue to deliver balanced profitable growth as we accelerate our complete transition to our cloud platform. And with our very strong cash position, we expect to reduce our net debt leverage ratio to approximately two times by the end of this year, which is six to 12 months ahead of our commitment at the time of the IPO. We are encouraged by the early momentum of our cloud-only consumption-driven strategy. Our strategy continues to gain interest as seen in the sales mix shift from self-managed to cloud net new ARR and closing new cloud deals. Over 90% of the new business pipeline is comprised of cloud opportunities. We are also seeing early adoption of our new flexible IPU consumption program. And keeping to our commitments, we are introducing a new cloud subscription net retention rate beginning this quarter to provide more visibility into our cloud strategy. Mike will share that statistic later in the call. We're also well positioned to help our customers, no matter where their dealer sites. Through our IDMC platform, we serve multi-hybrid environments, which include on-premise and multi-cloud workloads. Customers with their own speed and strategy will move data into a full public cloud or a hybrid cloud. We have the technology capability to serve our customers' data environment and support their digital transformation journey from on-prem to cloud to a single cloud data management platform, IDMC. We are bringing an enterprise-grade data management platform with best-of-breed solutions, combined with the simplicity and flexibility of consumption-based pricing for our customers. Now looking at the macro environment. Like last quarter, we continue to observe elongated sales cycles for new deals, deal scrutiny and, to a lesser extent, year-over-year foreign exchange headwinds. Cloud adoption remains healthy, while customers and prospects continue to be measured in how they purchase given the macro environment. We expect this to continue for the remainder of the year. Taking this all in, we are reiterating our full year 2023 guidance. It is appropriate to remain prudent this early in the year as we navigate an uncertain macroeconomic environment while transitioning to a cloud-focused new sales model. Now turning to our Q1 business highlights. We continue to deliver product differentiation and innovation that matters to our customers. Our unique IDMC platform advantage includes a best-in-class suite of solutions, processing mission-critical workloads at a scale with 50,000 metadata aware connections now leveraging 23 terabytes of active metadata in the cloud. To give you some examples of some recent product innovation highlights include, first, in our analytics services, we launched the industry's only free cloud data loading, integration and ELT and ETL service with Informatica Cloud Data Integration Free and PayGo. These services allow us to entry into departmental ingestion and integration use cases and target data practitioners and nontechnical users in marketing, sales and revenue operation teams to build data pipes within minutes. Next, we launched new data services in IDMC that process industry standard and custom messages for healthcare, retail, manufacturing and field serve solutions. These data services can use HIR and FHIR standards to exchange messages with healthcare partners. The NACHA standard to exchange messages with financial services partners, and the EDIFACT and EDI X12 standards to exchange messages with manufacturing and retail partners. Turning to MDM and the MDM 360 app services. We announced the availability of MDM SaaS on the Google Cloud Platform. We continue to scale our Customer 360 solution by launching extensions to master legal entities to support regulatory compliance requirements like Basel III and FATCA, helping banks comply with Global Legal Entity Identifier Foundation. And lastly, in data governance, data quality and data marketplace services, we introduced a new data quality accelerator bundle for sensor data profiling capabilities for the SAP ecosystem, file data enrichment and curation capability in data governance and catalog and expanded UI customization and search in data marketplace. Now AI has been a part of our DNA. Actually, since 2017, when I launched AI CLAIRE, our AI CLAIRE at Informatica World. The IDMC platform powered by CLAIRE AI, which in the last few years has continued to scale and grow as we've curated thousands of machine learning algorithms under the cover of AI. CLAIRE today processes 54 trillion mission-critical cloud transactions per month as of March, a 69% increase year-over-year, demonstrating strong customer usage of our platform. Last week, we unveiled our latest innovation, CLAIRE-generated classifications, a groundbreaking solution designed to streamline data classifications for automated data governance in organizations. CLAIRE automates the complex process of creating data classification, saving both time and resources for organizations by using an organization metadata and data patterns. As a result, we estimate a 70%-plus reduction in time required to curate and create classifications. To give you a real-life example, a leading automotive company witness the transformative power of CLAIRE-generated classifications I just talked about firsthand. Previously, this company had a team of 10 data domain curators working for two years to create 200 data classifications. With the help of CLAIRE, they generated 400 classifications, 200 of the original and an incremental 200 in a matter of minutes. This remarkable outcome demonstrates the power of CLAIRE driving automation at operational scale. Our consistent focus and commitment to delivering product differentiation and innovation has won us recognition from industry analysts and thought leaders. Informatica is recognized as the leader in the inaugural IDC Marketscape Worldwide Cloud Integration Software and Services 2023 Vendor Assessment Report. We were also recognized as a leader in the Forrester Wave

Mike McLaughlin : Thank you, Amit, and good afternoon, everyone. Q1 was a solid financial quarter across the board, with key growth and profitability metrics exceeding our expectations entering the quarter. I'd like to begin by the review of our Q1 results with Annual Recurring Revenue or ARR. Informatica's total ARR is comprised of three components

Operator: We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Andrew Nowinski with Wells Fargo. You may proceed.

Andrew Nowinski : Okay, thank you. Congrats on a nice quarter. Good start to the fiscal year. I want to ask a question first, I guess, on the sales cycle elongation. I know you said you've been seeing this historically and expect to continue going forward, but other vendors have talked about seeing more of maybe a spike in that or a change in that dynamic in the last few weeks of the quarter. Just wondering if you saw anything similar.

Amit Walia: Yeah. I think -- Andrew, good to talk to you. No change to what we said as we walked into the year. What we saw in Q4 is what we walked into the year, which is what we baked into our guidance for this year, and we saw Q1 execute against that. We didn't see anything get better or getting worse, basically exactly where it was. So nothing new to report over there than what we saw walking into the year and what we have shared with you as we put the guide for the year.

Andrew Nowinski : Okay. Very good. And then I just had a question on the large customer momentum you guys talked about. I mean it looks like you only added about 5 customers that spent over $100,000 in ARR and two that crossed that $1 million threshold this quarter, which looks like one of the lower sequential changes that we've seen over the last few years. So is there more to the momentum that you're talking about maybe that we're not seeing in those numbers?

Amit Walia: I think the way to think about that, Andrew, is that internally, Q4 to Q1 is a very fundamental different way to look at it. Q4 is the biggest quarter. Q4 is the smallest quarter. So we never look at Q4 to Q1 as anything operationally that we track to us, we look year-over-year. We have classic linearity for the year, and we track like that. Q-to-Q from Q4 to Q1 is something that is kind of comparing apples to oranges given our biggest quarter and our smallest quarter.

Andrew Nowinski : Okay, fair enough. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Hedberg with RBC. Your line is now open.

Matt Hedberg : Great. Thanks for taking my questions. And I echo the success on cloud, it's great to see. I guess a question -- one of the topics that we hear a lot from is cloud cost optimization. And I'm curious, how do your customers think about that? And how does Informatica really play into perhaps that trend?

Amit Walia: Yeah. But -- I think it's a tale of two cities. What you hear on cloud optimization from the large hyperscalers, effectively, customers obviously have massive spend that are spanning multiyear. It is very different to what they do with us because those end up being across the stack, Matt, as you know, like infrastructure, platform, applications, things of that nature. I'll say two things. One, we've been net beneficiaries in some ways because customers can draw down the hyperscaler commits to marketplace by buying Informatica products and -- which is all of our products available on their marketplace. And not just availability on the marketplace, but our deep integrations with the hyperscaler product allows customers to actually not just draw down, but use it very effectively. So that's kind of been helping us. And we've talked about how that is in an area of growth for us. Secondly, we talked about execution of the quarter. Raw demand and I think I'm going to go back to what even Andrew asked. When we think of raw conversations that they're having with customers, and I've been traveling quite a bit, those are happening at pretty good scale. In fact, we're headed into Informatica World next week. It's actually two-three weeks earlier this year. And the attendance over there is at 2019 levels. And so effectively, you're still seeing -- of course, we maintained the prudence on conversion into deals, all the stuff that I talked about. But in terms of the raw interest and the conversations, those are pretty healthy.

Mike McLaughlin : I'd add one more thing, Matt. It's Mike. Keep in mind that our consumption model is somewhat different than what you would see from the hyperscalers themselves or even someone like a Snowflake. When a customer buys our cloud platform product, they buy it most of the time with IPUs, sometimes with MDM record, but it's not a direct drive month-to-month consumption model where our revenue or the amount they pay us goes up and down based upon their usage. They pay us an annual fee for a number of IPUs that they can then deploy across any of the capabilities of the platform. And at renewal time, they decide whether to buy more. And in the meantime, if they use more than their allocation, they can pay us overages also. So we're not really subject in this sort of short-wave volatility in month-to-month consumption spend for cloud providers. So what we do is we watch the IPU usage and consumption very closely to make sure that we sold the right amount to our customers, and they're still using them. And those trends continue to be very favorable.

Matt Hedberg : Got it. That's helpful. And then maybe just a quick one on it. You guys have been talking about AI and CLAIRE for a long time now. Is there a degenerative AI angle to Informatica's kind of AI strategy going forward as well?

Amit Walia: Matt, we are about a couple of days away from Informatica World. I think you may be coming there, so stay tuned.

Matt Hedberg : Love it. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you, Hedberg. Our next question comes from the line of Pinjalim Bora with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Pinjalim Bora : Great. Thanks for taking the questions. And congrats on the quarter. I want to go back to the bookings trends. Seems like you're seeing consistent bookings trends in Q1. Help us understand how does the environment look to you through May now? Have you seen any change after kind of the financial sector turmoil at all?

Amit Walia: Pinjalim, no change. For us, as I said before, I'll repeat that, what we saw as we ended last year and what we baked into giving the guidance for this year is what we saw in Q1 is as what we see now. We haven't seen anything get worse or better. So basically, we're just being consistently seeing what we had -- what we thought would be the case for the year. And right now, so far, it has been there. So in April, no change to what we saw in last quarter.

Pinjalim Bora : Okay. Understood. And on IPUs, I believe Q1 marked a big cohort of renewal for IPU-based customers. Maybe help us understand how did you end up executing that, how well the renewal rates? And more specifically, we have been hearing that IPU has dramatically reduced the friction of using the platform. Is there a difference in characteristics with respect to expansion rates on IPU-based customers alone versus overall cloud retention rate?

Amit Walia: I'll give you the philosophical in IPU, and then Mike will detail into a lot of other operational stuff. It does. I think I've always said that. In fact, it's the biggest, most dramatic simplification of our technology platform. I mean you see the breadth of our IDMC platform. And pretty much customers, they buy -- even if they buy one IPU, they actually have entitlement to every service, and there are so many services in -- on the IDMC platform that you can see, Pinjalim. So yes, it dramatically eases that. And to be candid, it just plays out into renewal also because -- you know very well, customers can go from use case A to use case B to use case C. And sometimes customers in the middle of the quarter like you know what I was -- I thought six months ago, use case A was important along the way. But I want to do use case B. They don't have to come back and kind of make a procurement cycle. They can immediately move into use case B with all those capabilities. So dramatically simplifies, reduces the friction, and we see that in the ease of usage for IPU customers. I'll hand it over to Mike to give you some more details on the IPU consumption.

Mike McLaughlin : Pinjalim, you're right, this was the first meaningful cohort of IPU renewals that we had up. That being said, I wouldn't call it a big cohort, still a relatively small number compared to the available to renew in our cloud ARR overall for the quarter, but it was meaningful. And the good news is that it renewed almost at exactly the same rates that we saw the rest of our cloud subscription ARR renew. So, so far, so good, and we feel real good about the result. And the size of that IPU renewal cohort will continue to grow gradually as the year goes on.

Pinjalim Bora : Got it. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Howard Ma with Guggenheim Securities. You may proceed.

Howard Ma : Okay, great. Thanks for taking my question. I have one for Mike and then for one for Amit as well. First for Mike. So it's encouraging to see the outperformance in both total and subscription ARR. But if you look at the mix, so fully managed ARR outperform -- or I'm sorry, fully managed cloud ARR outperformed, right? But self-managed underperformed your -- the implied guidance. I'm just wondering, is that due to Informatica's better-than-expected success and encouraging more self-managed customers to expand on cloud? Or is it a function of perhaps less demand? And the follow-on to that is, so what gives you the confidence in the mix for annual guide? If you can go one layer deeper into the inputs that go into forecasting that mix that would be really helpful. Thank you.

Mike McLaughlin : Yeah. Sure, Howard. It wasn't that the self-managed customers were shifting over to cloud. As we mentioned, 90% of the new bookings for cloud in the first quarter were new workloads. It wasn't moving from maintenance ARR, and it wasn't moving from self-managed ARR. It was new sales to either new or existing customers that wanted to do new stuff with the IDMC platform. What we saw and the reason why cloud outperformed our expectations versus guidance and self-managed underperformed our expectations versus guidance was that our cloud-only sales motion, where in our developed countries, we sell essentially only cloud, worked even better than we expected. And to some extent, we -- where we exceeded in cloud, we underperformed a little bit in self-managed, but the total subscription, as you can see, was better. So there was more in the cloud bucket than the self-managed bucket than we expected, but there was more in the overall better than expected we, too. So it wasn't movement from left pocket to right pocket. It was just more new sales into the cloud.

Howard Ma : So Mike, I understand that it's not migration. It's just new. It's expansion -- self-managed customers expanding on cloud. But if that continues to happen, could that cause your -- the mix to shift even more to cloud exiting the year? I guess it could.

Mike McLaughlin : Sure. The mix is in -- yeah. We expect the mix to continue to increase more to the cloud as the year goes on. I think we cited the statistic. But if you look at the net new ARR that you can calculate in Q1, 81% of it was cloud. If we look at our pipeline, close to 90% of it is cloud. So that's what we're working on. That's what we're selling, and we expect the mix to trend towards that.

Amit Walia: And Howard to add to what just Mike said, it's just Q1. I wouldn't read into one quarter as to what extrapolation for the year is. As we just said, we just -- we feel comfortable for the guidance for the year. So I mean there can be Q-over-Q volatility on a number like that. And I don't think that we feel like that's a reflection of the full year yet.

Howard Ma : Okay. Thank you for the additional color. I have one quick follow-up for you. So we've been hearing about our enterprise customers that are under consuming, right? There are a lot of enterprises that are under consuming relative to their hyperscaler commitments. So do you think -- or perhaps do you have any evidence that maybe Informatica could be benefiting from these excess credits? And if that is the case maybe it's not, but if it is, which product families do you think could stand a benefit the most?

Amit Walia: Yeah. I wouldn't look into product families. I think the simplest way I can describe it to you, obviously, can't speculate as to what the hyperscalers. I think -- because they sell end-to-end stack, and I'm selling infrastructure, server storage, compute. I'm selling platform stack. I'm selling a whole set of compute. And we're selling a whole set of commits. Where it benefits us is, like I said, right, because all of our products, IDMC is fully available on the marketplace. So customers who had commits can draw down the commits by leveraging Informatica products. And because we have native integration to them and we have such tight alignment with them, and by the way, they're -- and the partnership are so tight, they also encourage that, of course, customers want that. And of course, we encourage that the -- and the GSIs also lead the way in such transformative projects. So we benefit from those drawdowns, and that allows customers to draw down the big commit dollars against hyperscalers.

Howard Ma : Okay, that's super helpful color. Thank you. I'll leave the floor.

Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Fred Lee with Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.

Fred Lee : Hey. Very nice cloud ARR quarter. There's actually impressive underlying acceleration here on a two-year stack. This might be splitting hairs a little bit, but considering the various economic mini crises in the quarter, were there any changes in bookings linearity in the quarter in Q1 versus historical trends? And secondly, I was wondering if you could offer some color on how the tone of conversations with customers have changed at all in Q1 versus the prior two quarters. Thank you.

Amit Walia: Yeah. No change. I would say just -- the answer to both of the questions, no change. We -- in classic linearity that we see, I mean, we are an enterprise software company. So that plastic linearity that we at Informatica have seen, we saw that in Q1. So there was no difference to what we saw here that we would have seen differently in the Q1 of last year or the year before. And as I said, I think the discussions -- I've said that many times, I'm going to repeat myself. We've been a thoughtful prudent company. What we saw in Q4 of last year, we baked that into when we walked into this year, when we gave the guide for the year. And I'll reiterate that we continue to see the same thing. And that allows us to -- and any lower performance of Q1 that just allows us to derisk the year, and we -- allows us to hold the guide for the year. We don't see -- we haven't seen anything worse off or better off given where the world is right now.

Fred Lee : Thank you. I'll jump back in the queue.

Operator: Thank you, Mr. Lee. Our next question comes from the line of Fred Havemeyer with Macquarie. Your line is now open.

Fred Havemeyer : Hi, thank you very much. I wanted to ask about the competitive landscape and also where some of the upstarts are coming into some of the conversations. I think I've seen lately, and this might speak more towards where VC funding has been going, but more advertising for API integration companies and data integration companies that can be rather bespoke on subways and everywhere than I think ever seen before. So I would just like to get an update about what Informatica sees and who potentially you're seeing in your competitive landscape and whether overall win rates may have changed or if there's just anything to call out at all. Thank you.

Amit Walia: Yeah. Great question. I have always said that, and I'll begin by saying I always, have always and always focused on what the customer wants. At the end of the day, if we all focus on what the customer wants, competition can come and go. In my lifetime here, I've seen many competitors come in -- the competitive cycle have changed. They were different competitors seven years ago. They changed three years ago, and now they're different now. And what has been consistent is that they have come and gone and we just stayed. So I'll repeat that we focus on what customers want. Having said that, look, I think when you talked about the whole VC thing, look, tremendous growth in this landscape. Hence, you see a lot of investment, right? And of course, it happens, right? Every VC invests in particular, and then you suddenly see tremendous number of small companies mushroom. And then over a course of time, many of them dissolve, and that is a very natural evolution cycle of start-ups. And you're going to see that in this space also. What I feel good about is that our focus on mission-critical workloads with a platform that has two things, best-of-breed solutions as well as a single platform with consumption-based pricing where customers can start and scale. And with the addition of PayGo and Free, actually, we've gone to the departmental level also that we can really, really start very easy. Customers, tremendous amount of choice. And that resonates. And that is something that we're going to keep pushing down on. And maybe at the other one is that our partnership with the hyperscalers, our enterprise-grade presence across the globe, our adherence to so many different industry verticals that I talked about gives large companies the ability to start very quickly. So those are all the things that are relevant to us to continue to drive penetration, demand and stickiness of our products.

Fred Havemeyer : Thank you very much.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Colville with Scotiabank. You may proceed.

Patrick Colville : Hey, thank you so much for taking the question. Can I just circle back to the IPU question earlier? Because I think the consumption model is most of us on the sell side and most investors in the buy side knows better the likes of kind of a Snowflake and others. I think what you are articulating earlier is that the Informatica consumption model is slightly different. You pay a commit, and you have different allowances. So would you mind just talking through, I guess, the similarities and differences? And then also in terms of accounting and when do you record revenue? Do you record revenue when the consumption happens or when the deal is signed?

Mike McLaughlin : Yeah. Sure, Patrick. Let me give that a shot. A fairly complicated answer or it could be a very complicated answer. I'll try to be brief. So yes, our model is very different in that the customer engages in a multiyear commitment with us. Our average new business term is 2.4 years. More and more of our deals are three-plus, so that's growing. And they commit to a fixed payment to us annually in advance. So they pay us once a year, three times if it's a three-year contract in advance, and that buys them a certain number of IPUs. Then they can use those IPUs, if it's the traditional IPU. They have those IPUs to use every month. And if they don't use them that month, then the clock resets, and then they get the same number of IPUs to use the next month. If they go over, there's overages, and they can buy extra from us, and we would recognize extra revenue at that time. Flex IPUs are exactly the same, except the bucket renews once a year. So if you're a seasonal business like a retailer and you've got a big Black Friday and you need a lot of IPUs around that week, but not so much in January, then the Flex IPU model is for you. But it's still a three-year deal. You pay a fixed price annually advanced. And if you go over, you pay us when that happens. As far as revenue recognition, it's recognized just like any other SaaS company that would have a fixed contract -- fixed multiyear contract. If it's cloud, SaaS, we recognize it ratably monthly as the term goes on. And if it's self-managed, which is effectively on-prem, it's recognized as on-prem companies are recognized under ASC 606, which is a majority of the total contract value is recognized upfront, and then the rest of it is amortized over the period. And that's -- we're selling very little of that, so it's becoming less and less relevant. Does that answer your question?

Patrick Colville : That was a terrific answer. And I guess Victoria or [indiscernible] won't be happy with me asking a second question, but I'll sneak one in. If a customer doesn't consume for whatever reason, what happens then? Do you push the credits out? Or do you recognize the revenue?

Mike McLaughlin : Yeah, we recognized the revenue for sure. If it's a three-year contract for $100 a year, we're going to recognize it's $100 ratably every year for three years, irrespective of what happens, unless we're in breach and the customer sued us, which never happened. The only thing that can happen during that three years is they buy more. And then at renewal, if they haven't used anywhere near the amount that they thought they were going to, then they might try to negotiate a new deal on a lower usage level. That's why we're watching so carefully the IPU usage of our customers that are coming into the renewal cycle for the first time this year. And so far, so good on that. But it -- there's really -- there's no downside risk, again, unless we're in breach or whatever.

Patrick Colville : Great. Thank you, Michael. Thank you, Victoria and thank you, Amit.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brad Zelnick with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Unidentified Analyst: Hey, guys. This is Jamie on for Brad. I just wanted to quickly follow up on the cloud marketplace question. How much does it account for as a percent of bookings mix? And I guess where do you expect this to go from here? And finally, is there any changes to incentives for the salespeople at the CSPs to sell Informatica's solution set? Thanks.

Mike McLaughlin : We don't disclose the exact amount that goes through the marketplaces versus those that doesn't. For us, we're completely happy with either channel. And in terms of the incentives for us to work together with those cloud service providers, we do have mutual incentives. We incentivize our folks, and they incentivize their folks. So when we sell together and we both win, not only do we win as companies, but the individual sales reps involved win, too. But the actual specific mix of how much is marketplace versus not, it's not something that we disclose.

Unidentified Analyst: Understood. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Alex Zukin with Wolfe Research. Your line is now open.

Allan Verkhovski : Hey, guys. This is Allan on for Alex. Congrats on the strong results. I got a quick question and a follow-up, if I may. I want to start off with the new disclosure of cloud NRR. Could you just unpack the key drivers for that to be improving for the second straight quarter here, along with kind of how you'd high level think about that for the year?

Mike McLaughlin : Yeah. So mathematically, it's the same as our existing NRR, which would be the same as what you'd see from most other companies. It is simply -- the customers that we had a year ago in the same period, how much did that same set of customers, that cloud customers, not including self-managed or management, cloud customers only, how much does that set of cloud customers a year ago, how much are they buying now. And they were buying $100 a year ago. They're now buying $118. And that is mostly driven by probably -- almost 100% driven by new workloads because, as you know, the IPU model is one where you generally buy more when you buy a new workload. It doesn't go down when you use less because we've got a fixed minimum for every year of the contract. And folks usually buy enough IPUs so that they think they can stay within their purchase level and not have to buy overages. So that you can think of that 18% as cross-sell, upsell into that cloud cohort that we've had a year ago. Does that answer the question?

Allan Verkhovski : Yeah. But just if I were to follow up on that, like specifically, what are drivers for the cloud NRR number to be coming up? A quarter ago, it's 117%; Q3, it was 115% here; it's 118%. Like what are you seeing in the customer base perhaps that is driving that upwards?

Amit Walia: It's the breadth of the platform. Our customer could have begun with an analytics use case, and now they can go add covenants. They can add quality. They can do many more things. They may have begun with a simple ingestion or ETL use case. They can add ETL. They have been doing cloud only. They can add hybrid. So it's the breadth of the capabilities on the platform that allows the customer to then expand into broader use cases. That's what is basically the tailwind to it.

Allan Verkhovski : Okay, understood. I'll leave it there. Thank you.

Amit Walia: Sure.

Operator: Thank you, Mr. Zukin. Our next question comes from the line of Koji Ikeda with Bank of America. You may proceed.

Koji Ikeda : Hey, guys. Thank you for taking the questions. Jumping over from a couple of calls here. So apologies if this topic was covered. But I did want to ask you a question on data governance and privacy, and specifically within the generative AI world. Just thinking about the products that you have available today, what is Informatica's role or maybe even expanding role as all these enterprises all over the world are trying to grasp and tackle the data that feeds these AI models that everyone is talking about today? Thanks, guys.

Amit Walia: Sure, Koji. Good to hear from you. I think we'll cover a lot of that next week at Informatica World, if you're there. Obviously, we'll cover in all detail. I'll give you -- I mean there's so much to cover on that topic. I'll give a simple snippet. To actually leverage AI -- generative AI, to do something within an enterprise, it actually will become more and more paramount to have good data. I mean if you're going to let something automate and happen on the shop floor of a manufacturing plant, you can't afford to get it wrong. So data becomes very important. And just think of two very simple things. It's not just bringing data for many places. The quality of data becomes very important, right? Because you're going to make a decision out of a data model, and then you will basically let that run at scale. So data quality becomes incredibly important. You will -- so that's how we believe that this will all be a tailwind to us. And I'll say like, what would large language models are on the Internet, ultimately, metadata will become the data language model with an enterprise, and we'll talk a lot about that next week when you come to Informatica World, and we absolutely see that as nothing else but tailwinds.

Koji Ikeda : Got it. Thank you. Looking forward to next weeks guys. Thanks for taking the questions.

Amit Walia: Absolutely.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tyler Radke with Citi. You may proceed.

Tyler Radke : Thanks for taking the question. Just a couple of quick questions on the numbers here. I guess, first, in terms of the self-managed ARR with the sequential decline, is it right to think about the roughly $5 million of sequential decline is converting to cloud in the quarter? Or did that go somewhere else? And then just curious, as you think about the second quarter, Amit, obviously, you rightly pointed out that Q1 is seasonally the weakest quarter from a bookings perspective, but it looks like you're guiding to add less incremental ARR on cloud in Q2 than Q1. So just curious if maybe there was some overperformance in Q1 that caused some deals to close earlier, just kind of the factors in the Q2 outlook. Thank you.

Mike McLaughlin : Hey, Tyler, it's Mike. So first, on the self-managed ARR or decline of ARR in Q2. You should think about that as normal churn for a component of the business where we're not focusing our efforts to sell new into that bucket. We're a cloud-only consumption-driven company now. All of our go-to-market efforts and sales incentives are focused around selling the cloud platform. And we are consciously allowing that self-managed subscription bucket to decline as customers churn as they would have anyway. It's just we're not selling new into that bucket. There's not a meaningful amount of movement from self-managed ARR to cloud ARR, at least not that we've seen so far. You're right with respect to the cloud net new for next quarter. The NAR [ph], as we call it, for Q2 is modest. But look, we run the business on an annual basis. Enterprise software is inherently volatile from quarter-to-quarter, long sales cycles, big deal, uncertain deal, close timing. And we're really thinking about the year in the context of the 35% cloud growth guide that we've put out there and that we still feel good about. Q2 -- Q1 came in really strong, and we're setting Q2 at a level that we think is prudent based upon our expectations for the full year. We're not trying to signal that Q2 -- second half is going to be some sort of economic rebound. It's going to be better or Q2 is going to be materially worse. It's just that in the context of what we think is going to happen for the full year, it just feels like the prudent thing to guide to. I would point you just to last year. If you look at last year, Q1, Q2 were good quarters, Q3 was a disappointment, and then Q4 came back with gangbusters. And that's just the kind of volatility that you'll see in enterprise software like us. So don't read too much into the Q2 NAR number.

Tyler Radke : Okay. Thanks for the color. See you next week.

Operator: Thank you, Mr. Radke. Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Hickey with UBS. You may proceed.

Jeff Hickey : Hey, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. I'll be quick on this. Kind of back to maybe Andrew's point at the top of the call on just customer count. I understand Q4 and Q1 might be apples to oranges. But maybe looking over a longer-term time horizon, I think you guys have now disclosed 5,500-plus customers, and I think that's down from 5,700 during the IPO and 5,600 in the 10-K. So just curious how we should think about that figure. Thanks.

Amit Walia: I think we can follow up with that question. I don't think it declined customers ---

Michael Farkas: Yeah. I don't know it either.

Amit Walia: That's -- I think 5,700 going down to 5,500, I think we'll just follow up on that one, to be very honest, Jeff, with Victoria, and we can answer because we don't see any decline. And in fact, if anything, we've been very, very transparent with our customer number. And we will be very transparent that, hey, within that subscription customers and -- so -- and there is -- because the -- overall pool of the customers is that our subscription and maintenance, and then we are very clear about who amongst them are subscription-only customers. So we're happy to answer, we don't see any decline. So 5,700 so, that's like a surprise to me. We're happy to clarify it, generally.

Jeff Hickey : Got it. Got it. And then maybe one just quick follow-up. Might just be on vertical mix and exposure that you guys have to financial services. Any color there? I know -- and Pinjalim was asking earlier. You said you saw kind of no change in March and April time frame, but I'm curious if there are any figures you can throw out there that help us think about the exposure. Thanks.

Mike McLaughlin : Sure. Our exposure to financial services is less than 20%, and that includes insurance, not just banks and credit unions and so forth. And we haven't seen any material impact to our business due to the regional banking turmoil.

Jeff Hickey : Got it, thank you. I'll leave the floor.

Operator: Thank you. There are no additional questions waiting at this time. I would like to pass the conference back over to the management team for closing remarks.

Amit Walia: Well, thank you. Well, as you can see, we were pretty excited about how Q1 ended, strong results. We are excited about holding our guide for the year. I'm actually looking forward to next week. It's always fun to be with customers, which actually matters the most in a world like this more than competition, more than anything else. I'm looking forward to seeing many of you at our user conference, and you will see not only a lot of cool demos. I think a lot of questions that get asked. I think my lips are a little bit sealed right now because we can unveil them next week. And of course, as Mike said, we will do our Analyst Day on September 5. So look forward to hosting you all on that day. So thank you all for joining today and next week and then later in the year on the Analyst -- Investor Day.

Operator: That concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.