Earnings Transcript for SESG.PA - Q3 Fiscal Year 2023

Operator: Hello, and welcome to the year-to-date 2023 Results SES S.A announces financial results for the 9 and 3 months ended 30th September 2023. My name is Laura, and I will be a coordinator for today's event. Please note, this call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]. I will now hand you over to your host, Richard Whiteing, Head of Investor Relations, to begin today's conference. Thank you.

Richard Whiteing: Thanks, Laura, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining this analyst and investor call for our year-to-date 2023 results. We appreciate you accommodating the change of date given the material agreement adjustment. This morning's presentation was uploaded along with the press release to the Investors section at ses.com, if you don't already have it. And as always, please note the disclaimer at the back of the document. In a moment, Ruy Pinto, CEO, will present the main business highlights, followed by Sandeep Jalan, CFO, to cover the financials in more detail. After some closing remarks from Ruy, we will take your questions. And on that note, let me hand over to Ruy.

Ruy Pinto: Thanks, Richard. Good morning, everyone. Again, our apologies for changing the date, but we wanted to give you an mPOWER update that is material to our company. And that justifies just advancing it by a couple of days. So please starting on Page 3. Let me go through the highlights of our announcement. I'm really pleased that our year-to-date financial performance has been good, solid and good. Our Networks business has delivered growth on the back of positive outturns across each of the 3 sectors

Sandeep Jalan: Thanks, Ruy, and good morning, everyone. Starting with the financial highlights on Page 9, and as Ruy already explained the brief highlights. Reported revenue for the first 9 months was 7% up year-on-year to €1.44 billion, including the full contribution from acquisition of DRGs that we completed in August of last year. On a like-for-like basis, our revenue was slightly higher compared to year-to-date September 2022. Adjusted EBITDA of €792 million was about 5% lower, both on a reported basis as well as on a like-for-like basis. This represented a margin of 5%. Adjusted net profit was €180 million, and I will cover this in a moment. In more details, the financial outlook for 2023 is fully refined with revenue, adjusted EBITDA and CapEx, each being on track versus the outlook we gave in fabric in this year. Moving now to the net income walk on Page 10. Adjusted EBITDA was €37 million lower compared to year-to-date September last year, and it was driven by 4 main components as shown in the table. First, €6 million positive from the scope effect of the DRG acquisition and forex; second, 5% growth in networks of €37 million, including the periodic revenue of €7 million that we have recognized in quarter 1 of this year. The third component is video declined by €33 million, including the periodic effects. On an underlying basis, radio was 3% lower year-on-year, which represents an improvement versus the 7% decline that we reported last year for 2022, and we are pleased with this flattening trajectory. Finally, recurring OpEx was higher by €47 million, as we had anticipated with our guidance. Bill adjusted EBITDA, lower interest expense contributed positively to adjusted net profit by €27 million versus the prior period. The main movements leading to adjusted net profit of €180 million were almost entirely noncash, particularly higher depreciation linked to a CS1 billion service, additional amortization and lower net forex gain than the prior years. The event between adjusted net profit and reported net profit of €682 million is primarily explained by the C-band income-related effects. We are very pleased by a fantastic execution of the C-band project that full success and 100% proceeds have now been realized in cash mostly in October. First effective that we have recognized a significant C-band net income of €2.7 billion, which is close to $3 billion. This income recognition also implies that we have converted an intangible asset on our balance sheet into real cash. And hence, we have also recorded a noncash impairment charge of €1.55 billion on the intangible assets triggered from this recognition of C-band income. We have also recognized the tax payable on these proceeds of about €0.5 million, which after including other positive effects from impairment effects, et cetera, amounted to a net charge of €0.44 billion in the P&L. Moving on to Page 11. We continue to focus on maintaining a strong and sector-leading balance sheet with investment-grade metrics, now further bolstered by U.S. C-band proceeds fully realized in cash by now. Adjusted net debt at 30 September was €3.7 billion. We have not only a low cost of funding around 3%, but also a healthy maturity profile of 7 years with only €400 million of senior debt for a due for maturity during the next couple of years. Leverage stood at 3.4x, essentially unchanged from the end of last year. Now since the end of September, as we reported, we have fully received the Phase II C-band incentive payment of $3 million. We expect to pay the tax of €5 billion. And we will now start the share buyback of €150 million that we had announced in August. This buyback represents the maximum amount authorized by AGM resolution that demonstrates our belief in the business pedometers. We also intend to exercise the call on the €550 million hybrid bond at the upcoming maturity in January 2024, thanks to the C-band proceeds that we have realized. Hybrid Board continued to remain an integral part of our capital structure, including the 2026 hybrids that we have on our sheet. Additionally, we expect a further $445 million of U.S. C-band cost reimbursement. The process of reimbursement remains much lower than our expectations. Nonetheless, we have so far received over $0.9 million of reimbursements and continue to engage with the clearing house to close outstanding claims. When adjusting for these items, this leaves a pro forma adjusted net debt of around €1.5 billion and net leverage of around 1.5x. We remain committed to using the C-band proceeds in the best interest of shareholders and expect to provide further clarity with the full year results in February. In the meantime, the cash is earning interest income of more than 5%. With that, I will hand back to Ruy for the conclusions.

Ruy Pinto: Thanks, Sandeep. I appreciate that. So to sum up on Page 13, please. I'm clearly pleased with our continued strong financial performance, which means we are fully on track to achieve our financial targets for 2023. We now have the substantial C-band proceeds, which further support what I'm sure is a sector-leading financial position and strength. We are deploying, as announced before for €150 million share buyback program, and we are exercising our option to call the hybrid in keeping with our commitment to be financial discipline and lowering our cost of debt. As you heard from Sandeep, we expect to provide further clarifications regarding the financial policy in end of February next year, but that's a good problem to have if you ask me. While I appreciate that today's news on at mPOWER will require a little bit more patience from the market as we work to deliver the constellation of full life type capabilities and growth potential. We can move forward to starting services in Q2, early Q2 next year with the ability to still support our existing O3b mPOWER customers as well as additional services and market growth. We have a solid plan to manage the near-term operation shortcomings, deploy satellites that will have a design improvement addressing the issues that we have been basically investigated and adding 2 brand-new satellites, the constellation alongside our partner Boeing. This will ensure that SES will deliver the highly differentiated capabilities of O3b mPOWER and will deliver long-term growth and success to our networks business. So we did the right thing here. I'm really pleased that we have a solid plan going forward despite the fact that we are not exactly where we wanted to be in terms of schedule. With that, thank you very much, and we are happy to take questions.

Operator: [Operator Instructions]. We'll now take our first question from Aleksander, at Societe Generale.

Aleksander Peterc: I just have two, the first one would be, should investors expect any further capital allocation decisions beyond the reimbursement of the hybrids that you just announced and the €150 million buyback that was previously announced. Is there more to come still in this front? Or are you happy with your capital structure right now? And then the follow-up is just on the impact of the mPOWER delay, which of the 3 verticals in networks is going to be more affected and which one less, so we can model this correctly.

Sandeep Jalan: So on your first question, clearly, the hybrid continue to remain an integrate part of our capital structure, we have 200 in our balance sheet as we stand today with the C-band proceeds in our pocket and the current capital market conditions. We have the upcoming call on these hybrids in January 2025 that we intend to call. Of course, these are decisions that we will continue to take, taking into account the latest capital market conditions where these instruments may be quite cost are in the market. Regarding further clarity on the financial policy, as I already spoke earlier, we are currently assessing our plans and with our annual results in February, we'll be giving more clarity. The current share buyback is already at the maximum level of €150 million, which is authorized by our Annual General Meeting. Clearly, the direction of the financial policy remains a solid financial policy led a heavy focus on investment in great, stable to progressive dividend and disciplined investments -- and clearly, with the C-band proceeds now in pocket and with our upcoming focus on the next year plans that we are currently assessing. This is something we will engage with our board and provide more clarity as we go forward at the end of February.

Ruy Pinto: Thanks, Sandeep. Also commenting on your second question. We believe that the differentiated high throughput and flexibility of mPower is stronger on government and mobility. We are quite confident that our growth plans and ambitions on those 2 sectors are going to be minimally impacted by this delay. But I would also say that on fixed data deposit and cloud, the competition -- and the price erosion is intense. So every month that we deliver, of course, there is a little bit of an impact. So if you wanted to put an order, I would say, government and mobility are still a strong sector for us in the enterprise and cloud or fixed data is a sector where we have to pay more attention.

Operator: We'll now move on to our next question from Roshan, at Deutsche Bank.

Roshan Ranjit: I've got a few on mPOWER, please. Firstly, the backlog this quarter, understandably, I guess, it didn't move up materially versus previous quarter. And you do highlight a big chunk is protected backlog. But is there a risk that given that we've had this additional delay and customers go to some of the alternatives? Ruy mentioned mobility and government being key verticals. We have seen a few competitors make a bit of progress here on that front, having signed capacity contracts. Anything you could say there would be useful, please. On the CapEx envelope and the 2 incremental satellites, you mentioned scope for insurance payout. Have you got clarity that you will receive that? Or is this something which you are looking to investigate, please? Sticking with the CapEx, you highlighted that the lifetime of the existing satellites in orbit has been shortened. So I guess in this current evolution, we are talking about shorter CapEx cycles. But is there not a risk that you have to start getting the next situation of mPOWER up and running given the shorter life frames, please. And secondly, just lastly, just on the operational front, government had a very strong performance this quarter. Anything on that? Or are we now fully washed through the withdrawal of troops from previous quarters that you mentioned? Or could we expect this to be a new trend going forward in government?

Sandeep Jalan: Let me take the questions in turn. So on the backlog -- the fact that we are going to start our service in early Q2 gives us a high level of cost that the backlog will not be impacted. We still have margin -- a bit of margin in our customer commitments and on our backlog that will give us -- that gives us confidence that the backlog has not been impacted given the new in-service date and the launch of mPOWER S5 and S6, actually, we are on the money faster for our launch on the 12th of November. So there is margin there is not something that is worrying us. Of course, it's not infinite margin, but there is margin, and we are confident that with the start of service in early Q2, possibly in April that we are not going to have an issue with our protected backlog. On the CapEx envelope, we have kept, of course, our insurance fully in the loop on the investigation as we should. But the agreement that we have with Boeing and the sharing of risk that we have with buying gives us confidence that we can deploy 2 additional satellites without impacting our CapEx envelope and without depending on insurance proceeds. And that's an important point. That does not mean that we are not going to explore the insurance revenue, but it's not a dependency on our CapEx envelope. Boeing and SES are working together on making sure that this groundbreaking service goes up, it's important for both companies, and we worked extensively with them on how to proceed with the mPOWER constellation. In terms of lifetime, I'm not sure I captured the question completely. But as I mentioned in my opening remarks, we have flexibility with these satellites in terms of deploying capacity versus lifetime on the initial satellites. So we can adapt to the ramp-up of our customers. As you can imagine, I mean, we are going to have a 12 months leave or take period where we will be carefully managing the constellation, and we have flexibility and margin to make sure that our ramp-up is fulfilled and protected for our customers. Finally, on government, if I remember the question, you know that government, they have their own cycle in terms of budget and execution. And sometimes it's not uncommon for you to have signed contracts that have delays due to milestone delivery or project execution, more in government than in other sectors. So it's not something that worries us that sometimes it moves to south because it's guaranteed drag and guaranteed customers. So again, not really concerned on that front.

Ruy Pinto: Just to complement, you are seeing an effect of this sort of approach at the end of the year as you start delivering and speeding up, sorry, for the addition there.

Roshan Ranjit: I'm sorry, just to check, you said 12th of November for satellites 5 and 6 to be launched they're on site now, I see...

Sandeep Jalan: They are quite comfortable in Cape Canabo, of course, it's no early than 12th of November. We are working closely with SpaceX. We are the manifesto. We have our second stage. It's all good to go. So we have an already agreed date. And as you know, in launches, we have a day, a backup base, you're subject to weather and to the loan things, but we are there.

Operator: And our last question comes from [indiscernible] at Barclays.

Unidentified Analyst: I have two questions. The first one, we refer to a mid-single-digit impact to revenue and EBITDA next year. Are you effectively providing a 2024 guidance for current consensus numbers, like less around 5%? Or when we get to February, could there a series of other things that could change the numbers. And this mid-single-digit number is just one part of that. The second one is also related to that, that like when we say a mid-single-digit impact before mitigation can we quantify the impact of any potential mitigations that you are looking at, even if we understand that you cannot be confident on this right now. And the final question. Overall, are we basically thinking about losing a year in your growth plan? Or could the delays and capacity issues also impact your growth in 2025 compared to what you might have talked before. Thanks a lot.

Ruy Pinto: I think Sandeep and I will take turns. I didn't quite get the first question, but I think I believe it's Sandeep. I think it then between guidance and the expectations.

Sandeep Jalan: So clearly, good question. So as we explained to you about the mPOWER situation, this mid-single-digit percent lower revenue and EBITDA is to give you a kind of magnitude that we are looking at, looking at all the components that Ruy explained earlier, these components basically include fast delayed start of service from April early quarter 2 compared to 2023 and 2023 that we're expecting. Second, the necessary operational procedures, mitigation procedures that we are putting in place to upgrade new satellites and lower ramp up. So these are the current impacts that we are expecting from the mPOWER related effects, this is not including in potential mitigation effects. We are -- as you can imagine, we are at early stages. We are assessing all the potential mitigations, including usage of our own extensive fleet of suites. MEO Classic as well as GEO fleet and other mitigating actions. This is not a guidance for 2024 or beyond. And this is a process that we have in early phases again. We are currently going through our business plans and budgets, and that's a process that we'll undertake in February. In February, you can expect a full year guidance, which will include a comprehensive assessment of mPOWER situation, the necessary mitigations and our full-fledged plan, including our geo-capacity, which are a very important part of our fleet. So this is not an annual guidance. This aims to give you a magnitude of the impact that we currently see and transparent can tell you this is our expectation and vis-a-vis where the consensus currently stands.

Ruy Pinto: And if I may add on the second question, the third one, Sandeep captured it really well. We have a very diverse business with geo-capacity, multi-orbit, neoclassic, video and media, some services and so on. We do believe that once we dig deep into the planning for 2024, we will be able to mitigate some of the impact of the mPOWER delay. But we are being very upfront so that you have full visibility of our thinking, and we'll come back, as Sandeep mentioned in February with a fully formed view. There are, for example, programs that we don't put into our business plan because they are speculative or at an early stage. And if we can forecast what we could expect from those projects in 2024, these numbers can change in the right direction. And finally, in terms of growth for 2025, we fully expect that by the end of '24, Q4 and Q1 '25, we will have additional capacity coming online in mPOWER that will not be limited by these small and understandable operational shortcomings. So that we'll be able then to perhaps even have an upside on our growth trajectory depending on market conditions. So I'm actually more optimistic about 2025 because of the plan that we have in place.

Operator: And we'll take our final question from Carl Murdock-Smith at Berenberg.

Carl Murdock-Smith: Two questions from me. In the presentation, you say that the buyback will start in November. Just practically, when is the first day that you can go into the market and buy shares. So I take it it's not today. Following on from that, following on from question Roshan asked actually. Just I'd wonder if you could provide a bit more detail on the risk sharing that you've mentioned with Boeing. Is that something new in relation to the scale of delays that there have been over time? Or is it retrospective and something that's in contract upfront? And kind of any detail you can provide in terms of the nature of that risk sharing? And how that works practically would be great.

Sandeep Jalan: So I'll take the first one. I'll give the second one for Ruy. So as you know, they are coming out now the close period. We will start a share buyback as soon as possible. Now the money is well, is in the bank. So you could expect that with in coming days. I mean we are just setting the mandate, et cetera. So as we go out of the cost paid starting tomorrow. And we will start to buy back as soon as possible.

Ruy Pinto: And on your second question, so the risk sharing, we have reshaped our agreement with Boeing. Boeing and SES, both companies have a strong interest in the success of mPOWER. This new technology that is working in space. It's important for Boeing and for SES that, that new technology works flawlessly in space and that we can deploy it with our customers. So having a couple objective with Boeing was essential to a negotiation that involved the reshaping of the contract of the agreement where both companies took an element of risk in the delivery and the capital expenditure and in adding to the capabilities of the constellation. Of course, I cannot disclose any details, but I can tell you that we are together in sharing the risk and investing further on mPOWER, both Boeing and SES.

Operator: There are no further questions in the queue. I will now hand it back to Richard for closing remarks. Thank you.

Richard Whiteing: Thanks all. Thanks for joining. As we said at the start, thanks converting the earlier timing as ever, myself and the IR team remain available with the early follow-up questions. Have a great day. And if we don't speak, have a wonderful Christmas. Thank you. Goodbye.

Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.